Exploring Self
  The shift is not a thing. It is the action of increasing your self-awareness.

Ahmed posts:

Seems the Eliasian spirit is alive and well here. I guess it does no good to suggest that the system may be abused or taken advantage of, since ultimately that would be our creation. OK guys, you passed the test. Your Elias certificates are in the mail.

Stevelord posts:

Ahmed wrote:

I think we can all agree that we created this forum (with Markus incurring the physical labor and expense) and we can choose to "trash it" (or lose fulfillment with certain aspects of it) if the admin allows just as well. How about us creating another reality here with the intent of "organizing" the disparate energies we often encounter according to the majorities preferences? Just a suggestion, why not create another section, call it "the bin" or something, and anyone posting things that are not according the majorities preferences can be relegated there. It doesnt even need a moderator, if technically feasible or possible to include a 'vote box' at the start of every new thread where forum members can vote to send such threads there. If for example, 10 or more members vote to do so, the thread automatically gets sent there. But it can be offset by opposing votes not to send it there just as well. It doesnt have to be exactly along these lines but you get the drift. And 'the bin' (or call it something else) doesnt mean to kill off such threads, just that they are sent to another section and can 'flourish' there with continued posting. It would just be a form of organization, with the same purpose of delineating the original forum sections, ie, exploring the shift, watercooler, miniblogs, etc, but with the added twist of members doing it live according the preferences of the majority. Just a thought.

Ill give you an A for effort Ahmed, but Ill vote nay.

STeve

Stevelord posts:

Ahmed wrote:

patternwalker wrote: Naw man. That's part of what shifting is about…..getting rid of 'majority rule'… deciding what expressions are not acceptable and pushing them under the carpet. I dont see it as 'majority rule', but rather as 'majority fun', creating more fulfillment by directing our energies along specific lines. And not to squelch the "unacceptable", but to be more creative with it. Could be another way of "pushing it under the carpet" as you say, but why not keep it in the open and toy with it rather.

I sure hope people dont rule my ELias criticisms as "unacceptable" and relegate them to the back file.

STeve

Stevelord posts:

patternwalker wrote:

Naw man. That's part of what shifting is about…..getting rid of 'majority rule'… deciding what expressions are not acceptable and pushing them under the carpet.

Hear hear.

Steve

Stevelord posts:

sari wrote:

hmmm … more separation …. less separation ….? I'ld say, more separaation would be movement against the wave.

Yay.

STeve

Stevelord posts:

Marina wrote:

sari wrote: so I write my next post directly into the 'bin' - thread …. dont have a problem with that … well, you know, I would find all my posted posts much easier But I can relate to Ahmed, sometimes I also want to put some of the threads/posts in the bin. What about the next step towards total freedom and Markus makes all acounts to moderators. And the final step of freedom would be that all accounts have administrator level .

Sorry, I will accept nothing less than ownership. Full partner.

STeve

Stevelord posts:

Ok Ive read all your posts to Ahmed's idea and Im sorry to say that none of you will ever be accepted by normal society. You all are a rare breed of free spirits extraordinaire. Very very rare.

STeve

Stevelord posts:

Stevelord wrote:

Ok Ive read all your posts to Ahmed's idea and Im sorry to say that none of you will ever be accepted by normal society. You all are a rare breed of free spirits extraordinaire. Very very rare. STeve

Whats the matter with you all, dont you have a complusive urge to control people?

STeve

patternwalker posts:

Stevelord wrote:

Ok Ive read all your posts to Ahmed's idea and Im sorry to say that none of you will ever be accepted by normal society. You all are a rare breed of free spirits extraordinaire. Very very rare. STeve

Viva la liberte

chiana posts:

sari posts:

what a nice surprise! lovely!!!

i notice lessandless seriousness … lot of playfulness latly ….

I truly appreciate my refelctions

Marina posts:

I'm a teacher . I act out my compulsive urge to controle poeple at my students

Stevelord posts:

No, no suprise. Ahmed meant it. Right Ahmed?

Steve

Gunslinger posts:

Stevelord wrote:

Ahmed wrote: I dont see it as 'majority rule', but rather as 'majority fun', creating more fulfillment by directing our energies along specific lines. And not to squelch the "unacceptable", but to be more creative with it. Could be another way of "pushing it under the carpet" as you say, but why not keep it in the open and toy with it rather. I sure hope people dont rule my ELias criticisms as "unacceptable" and relegate them to the back file. STeve

We experimented with Authority Rule, Strongest Rule, meekest rule, mediocracy rule, aristocracy rule, mob rule, democracy rule, republic rule, republic with inalienable rights rule. None of those except the last even acknowledge the sanctity of the individual. They are all the same in that the individual is subject to the many, one way or another.

In "self rule", or "self directedness" in Elisian speak, the individual truly comes first, and always is first. AND, it REQUIRES that the individual direct him or her self. This is not anarchy. It is self government. In order to have a workable self government, there has to be an almost total agreement and practice of YCYOR. In other words, people will govern themselves. A true "conservative" society. Obama wouldn't have anything to do.

As it is in essence, so in focus.