Exploring The Shift
The shift is not a thing. It is the action of discovering Self.

brihte posts:

KevinGrey wrote:

However, the moment we acknowledge the message, even if we don't understand what that message is, it can begin to alter, in my own experience. But of course, that is up to us. If we insist the experience cannot change until we understand…that is a creation of it's own. Peace.

yes…
it begins to alter the moment we acknowledge the message, but i have trouble understanding what the message is

many many impressions come and the situation seems to alter, then repeats…
that has been my experience and that is when i thought, 'hmm.. this getting message is not really working; i am not really getting it; otherwise, why does it repeat?'

KevinGrey posts:

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yes… it begins to alter the moment we acknowledge the message, but i have trouble understanding what the message is

Do you? Must you?

Do you feel that, subjectively you understand what the message is? Is that enough?

The Bashar session I posted in offering to BEA, works for this as well.

I had an experience several years ago now where I created a rather debilitating back problem for myself. Which, is very unusual for me. Back problems, that is. I struggled with it for three days until I came to the realization that

A. I was insisting I had to objectively understand before I would let go of the issue.
B. By insisting I did not understand, I was holding understanding at bay.

As soon as I relaxed and chose…decided that I DID understand (even if I objectively did not see it in that moment), the back problem vanished. I don't mean eased, I mean instantly vanished and, a few moments later, after reveling in how completely and immediately the "problem" disappeared, an answer came through as well. I understood why I had created it. Which was for the purpose of this revelation, this understanding right here.

It has to. You just said: I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it.

Repeat, repeat, repeat.

For me, the point is to turn to the "communication", the "message" and say: THANK YOU, I GOT IT.

That, is acknowledging the message, for me. That, is acknowledging this AS a communication, rather than just a symptom, or issue.

I realize it is paradoxical, but most of our beliefs are. The shift of perception is from "this is a problem" to "this is a message", at which point, I "act as if" I received the message and allow the "problem" to go away. Because it isn't a problem. It was there to offer a communication and I received it.

Or, I didn't. In which case, without full understanding objectively, I struggle with "trying" to understand. Whereas if I simply "KNOW" that I understand, I will.

This works to the most minute part of our experience. The act as if, the knowing. Even with understanding. Even with reception of communications. Even with awareness.

Elias has offered that most of our issue with having full awareness is simply the lack of acceptance of the awareness we currently engage as "not enough". As Bashar offers, you know what you need to know, when you need to know it. Abundance of awareness and understanding, just as much as with tangible physical things.

Act as if you have what you need to have when you need to have it, applies just as well to the idea of awareness. I know what I need to know. Period. All of the time. I am aware.

Peace.

brihte posts:

benett,

many times i seem to got it, and the situation changes but again it repeats.
that is why the question 'at point we say we got it'?

brihte posts:

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yes.. sometimes that thought came to my mind too…
but not really as fabrication of reasoning, but something that i 'allowed' as a result of the situation and employing mind in that direction…

but that is precisely why, though i got to know more 'me', the situation repeated…

true
if my car stops on highway, i call AAA rather than waiting for the 'message'!!!
may be we should start dealing all situations as emergency?

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And maybe you never needed that uncomfortable situation to begin with. LOL

yes.!!! that is what is bothering me.. i KNOW for sure i do not need uncomfortable situations but they keep popping up!!!

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I mean, think about it, Bri………..really! Does it have to be always like that? Do we always have to have that uncomfortable situation in order to get whatever it is we assume we need to get?

yes.. i know…
it is some kind of automatic way we employ, to bring our attention to ourselves.
but how do we change it?
how do we remind ourselves anything in a comfortable manner, rather than uncomfortable manner?

bri

brihte posts:

yes.. perfect state… that is where i want to go..
when do we reach it?
and how?
is there a way around this process?

can you explain a bit more about this? i am really curious…

yes… and that is why i am inquiring about when to take an objective action to change it, when i know i can!!!

brihte posts:

hi julie, i am inquiring about situations that i can objectively change…


when is that i can say 'okay! i got the communication; i can go ahead and change this'!!!!

brihte posts:

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I had an experience several years ago now where I created a rather debilitating back problem for myself. Which, is very unusual for me. Back problems, that is. I struggled with it for three days until I came to the realization that A. I was insisting I had to objectively understand before I would let go of the issue. B. By insisting I did not understand, I was holding understanding at bay. As soon as I relaxed and chose…decided that I DID understand (even if I objectively did not see it in that moment), the back problem vanished. I don't mean eased, I mean instantly vanished and, a few moments later, after reveling in how completely and immediately the "problem" disappeared, an answer came through as well. I understood why I had created it. Which was for the purpose of this revelation, this understanding right here.

thanks Kevin…
thank you very much for this!!!!

yes… i do see that i am insisting to know
because i am very curious to know….
and a thought did come to me yesterday that 'by letting go of this imagery, i might be deprived of 'objective answer'!!!!'
yes…yes. i got it now…

from your example, i got it!!!!
i will get the answer later, objectively
thanks very much

i practice that from now on
yes.. i want instant results..
because some of the situations that i create, need to change instantly, else, there is no use….
like my car won't start; and it has to start in next few minutes otherwise i have to employ objective methods to go where i want to go; else, i will be late…

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also, same imagery sometimes repeats with a different communication…
do you see it that way too?

bri

brihte posts:

that is why arkandin said 'focus on the experience'!!!

so when an uncomfortable situation arises, focus on the experience for a moment, and say 'yeah!! i got it!'… and see what it does to the situation and how the answer will come objectively…

like this approach… actually, love it!!!
total elimination of 'thinking!!!'…
what a relief?

Calotcha posts:

Well, and the other question would be: does it have to be about anything whatsoever? It really matters not! If you think or believe that all situations, or experiences are about getting something be it even a message, then you're creating this condition, this need, and or expectation for every situation you experience. But then, again, it needs not be that way.

Yes, same basic idea. LOL

You are continuously knowing more YOU in every minute and second of your exprience. Only, you create your conditions as to what allows you to know more of YOU and what doesn't……Yet many of these conditions are created out of your own held beliefs, but which, in truth, need not be always as you think of them, or believe they need be.

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And maybe you never needed that uncomfortable situation to begin with. LOL

He he! They do! One way to deal with that is by not paying much attention when these happen by either labeling them as good or bad, and (i'll say it)……sometimes by not even thinking or believing that there is a message to get from such situations. To think so is to trapp yourself……..for you could be recreating such situations only because you believe there is some message you need to get. On the other hand, believe me, if there is a message to get, you will get it regardless of what you think needs be done.

There is nothing to remind yourself. You (within you, that is) already know what is good, right and comfortable for you, and what is not. The reminding you are speaking of, can only create more of the situation you experience but you do not wish to experience. Knowing and trusting that you already know what's best for you is enough already to create that which you know you truly desire. There is nothing else to it. My personal opinions, of course.

brihte posts:

hmmm…
never thought of it that way…
very good point!!!
i always always thought it is about 'something';

so, can it be about 'just experiencing me'?
or even that is 'attaching' something?

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isn't this contradicting what you said in the first statement?

yes… absolutely…
so, may be i have to work on redefining those terms
very good point..
thanks

E did say that i am used to accomplishing in discounting manner…

ahh…
boy…
i think i AM trapping myself that way…

i will have to practice this!!!!

so, this is the shifty - 'religious and common' combination!!!!

yes!!! absolutely…
why didn't that occur to me so far?
it makes sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much sense to me….

i already know that 'i know!'….


but i guess i was under the impression that i am trying to include my objective in that because it is suffering from not knowing…

but at this point, it knows it all…
so, i can rest!!!!
(may be all this is needed so far, but not anymore; you totally liberated me!!!!)

love, Bri
this is the message i have been trying give myself, after all…
and i know this is the 'last'!!!!

Calotcha posts:

brihte wrote:

hmmm… never thought of it that way… very good point!!! i always always thought it is about 'something'; so, can it be about 'just experiencing me'? or even that is 'attaching' something?

Of course! In fact it can be about anything you wish it to be. But then, remember, you are exploring……and yes, experiencing you at the same time. And you can choose to complicate things for you or make them easier. He he! I love you, Bri.

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isn't this contradicting what you said in the first statement?

I don't know!

Wow! That is interesting, Bri……….and why not? Anything is possible, and so are all experiences fulfilling, i'm sure.

Because you chose to create this situation where i'd come and knock you on the head so to make you aware of this you had not thought of before. LOL

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i already know that 'i know!'…. but i guess i was under the impression that i am trying to include my objective in that because it is suffering from not knowing…

We can indeed complicate things, Bri……….when we allow our minds to recklessly wonder around so much looking for what is probably, many times, not there. Stay in the moment, my friend. Yet……….don't stop what you're doing.

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but at this point, it knows it all… so, i can rest!!!! (may be all this is needed so far, but not anymore; you totally liberated me!!!!)

Cool! Now i need someone to liberate me. He he!

Stevelord posts:

derelic7 wrote:

brihte wrote: when a situation is uncomfortable, how long do we have to experience it before we say 'okay.. i got it; i got the message; i don't need this anymore'? the moment the situation starts, we can just go, 'hmm… wonder why did i insert this expression in my reality'? the moment that question is asked, answer starts to form… do we not need that uncomfortable situation anymore; since we asked the question? so, we can objectively start to dissipate it? or we have to wait until it dissipates by itself because as long as it does not, we can say that we are not getting the communication? I think it's when you can value the information you're presenting to yourself, that you're really getting to know yourself more and how you work it, and do that to the extent that you don't have to create a "situation" of that type anymore. The objective expression dissipates when the subjective is not generating that kind of movement fuelled by personal concentration. A response is a type of concentration, you have to decide for yourself where to direct that concentration. If the situation is uncomfortable, maybe the question isn't why it happens, but what makes it uncomfortable. Waiting doesn't do anything.. you're not getting the communication as long as you don't understand it. Why is kind of vague. Asking why is like asking 10 questions at once, from what makes it happen, how did you create it, when did you start creating it.. It creates alot of confusion, I find it helps to be more specific. What exactly is going on, how does it make me feel what am I doing that warrants this, what am I generating to the extent that it becomes a noticeable obstacle in my reality? If you're gonna ask why about it, I think it's best to ask why it makes me feel the way I do, why do I respond this way. Essentially: do I HAVE to respond in this way? Since you're the boss of your reality, you have to understand your own processes and what would warrant that type of expression, before you can move into changing NOT the expression but YOURSELF. Maybe I'm not the expert creator I'd like to be, but trying to change the outside expression leads me nowhere. It makes me feel like I'm deluding myself into a world of victimhood and fighting imaginary monsters, or like I'm not able to create at all. When I look into myself, and especially my responses, I can change those, and that in effect will change my reality. I always find a good way to start is by lessening my negative response, make myself feel better about it, start thinking about other things, try to look at it from a larger perspective. When I feel more neutral about it, I can move into creating differently, NOT by trying to destroy it, which is essentially futile since you can't destroy yourself or your own energy, YOU are the source of whatever it is that's ailing you. Instead, I begin ideating myself differently. I'm essentially changing my idea of the person I think I am. And THAT is usually where the problem started. I recognize patterns like I think I am poor, I think I am bad at this or that, I think I am not following my life goals or I think I'm getting life all wrong. That's what caused the problem in the first place. Now, it can get tricky here when you start complicating things, but it's essentially very simple. I do my best to change all that. Everytime I catch myself thinking that, I think differently. I am rich, I am abundant. It's not about what I think in my head or what I say to myself mentally, I don't walk around repeating any kind of mantra. If you think you have to repeat mantras to yourself, you're essentially saying you don't trust yourself. Instead, I look at ways I can use my reality to express that I'm abundant. I look at my computer. I have a computer. That's abundance. I have money for the bus. That's abundance. I can go wherever I want and do absolutely anything with my life. That's freedom. It may even come down to something as simple as; I have something that someone else does not have, a single penny, a pen, whatever. For me it's often enough to say that I'm in this moment enjoying the opportunity to be experiencing life. Not existing would kind of suck. That's the kind of choice you have in every single moment. It's absolutely life threatening to compare yourself at a stage where you want your reality to change, it doesn't really matter what anyone else has, it's about what YOU have, and the fact that you are alive and well. If you buy into the idea that you are an immortal essence, there's nothing that could possibly threaten your state of well being. And the thing is, reality does change very easily, but you have to test your limits, i.e trust stuff you haven't trusted before, believe in things you thought were impossible.

Ok sounds good. I especially like the part where you say, I have a computer, I have busfare, etc, I have abundance. Ive never tried that.

Steve

brihte posts:

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Of course! In fact it can be about anything you wish it to be. But then, remember, you are exploring……and yes, experiencing you at the same time. And you can choose to complicate things for you or make them easier. He he! I love you, Bri.

oh…
i thought you ditched me for Lori

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Because you chose to create this situation where i'd come and knock you on the head so to make you aware of this you had not thought of before. LOL

or may be it is you that was creating that commotion in me; so i projected you OUT so i can hear you objectively

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.don't stop what you're doing.

oh. i sooooooooooooooooooooooo did!!!
since i you said what you said, i totally got what E said about 'each moment is its own outcome'…

so, i totally changed Cal..
i am living noticing the outcome of each moment in its entirety!!!

this is soooooo freeing!!!

lori is coming

bri

Calotcha posts:

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Of course! In fact it can be about anything you wish it to be. But then, remember, you are exploring……and yes, experiencing you at the same time. And you can choose to complicate things for you or make them easier. He he! I love you, Bri.

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oh… i thought you ditched me for Lori

Lori? Who?

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Because you chose to create this situation where i'd come and knock you on the head so to make you aware of this you had not thought of before. LOL

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or may be it is you that was creating that commotion in me; so i projected you OUT so i can hear you objectively

Ah!

He he!

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.don't stop what you're doing.

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oh. i sooooooooooooooooooooooo did!!! since i you said what you said, i totally got what E said about 'each moment is its own outcome'… so, i totally changed Cal.. i am living noticing the outcome of each moment in its entirety!!!

Hmmmm! Ok, maybe that's what i meant. He he!

Good for you, Bri.

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lori is coming bri

Trouble maker!

BlueEnergyArtist posts:

No offense but this style of posting/replying with alternating quotations, and responses drives me batty.